A Dialogue with Amin Solkar- Advocate of Kasab

Vedchetan Patil: So, firstly I’d like to ask you about your entire inclination and background behind all your activities for the protection of the minority rights. What drove you for the same?

Amin Solkar: Being a member of minority.

Vedchetan Patil : (cuts in) No, of course, being a minority. But there would be something you would have felt. Some injustice which is happening in this country and which should be addressed?

Amin Solkar : Which particular injustice you’re talking about?

Vedchetan Patil : What is the one point where the secular India is going wrong and which should be addressed?

Amin Solkar :A We are about 60 years post-independence and in the Constitution, what minorities were promised, sometimes we feel that, those promises are not yet fulfilled. Like, if you see economically, then education and appointment to an important post. Even there we basically feel that the promises are not kept. When the minorities had chosen to be in India, in 1947, a choice was given to them that, those who want to go to Pakistan can go, and those  who’d like to stay here in India can stay here. Since we were born and brought up here and had our ancestors living in India, So, we were not willing to go to a total new land. But aftersome years,  we felt, that we should fight for our rights also. Now if you see, there was no need for any minority commission. There was no need for a ministry specifically for minority affairs. What was the need? Earlier it was not there. So, this in itself  indicates that the minorities are not being treated as  equivalent. And to uplift them,  the government thought  of making a newministry or some mechanism where the upliftment can be monitored and then they have come up with some financial foundations.

That was not that early. Now, whatever schemes the government is coming up with is really reaching those people or not is another question.

Vedchetan Patil : So, whatever mechanism that has evolved, either by the state or by the minority institution as per the relevant articles of the constitution of India, do you think it’s working in the right direction or some efforts are need to be taken by social activists to address the same?

Amin Solkar : Obviously,  efforts need to be taken and therefore, many people  have come up fighting for their rights. Now, if you see… don’t you think in Gujarat there are many such activists there? But, why Teesta Seetalvad has to go from Bombay to Gujarat and fight for the minority rights over there? If you look deep into it, somewhere you’ll find that there is insecurity in the minds of the minorities.

Vedchetan Patil :  This sense of insecurity, reminds me of M.J. Akbar’s book Tinderbox  where he has addressed the same insecurity issue and the comparative attitude of the majority population, for example, Hindus and other communities. There is  a sense of patriotism even in the Muslim Community. That has been inculcated by the state and the film industry. Now, M.J. Akbar in his book, he contemplates that this particular insecurity, whether in the minds of Muslims and viz a viz the attitude of hindus towards the Muslims, it is mainly because there is something called as Pakistan. Like, loyalty of Muslims towards the Indian state is always questioned because something called as Pakistan is existing. What is your opinion about the same?

Amin Solkar :  Earlier there was Pakistan and there was East-Pakistan. So the same attitude, existed at that time but if you’ve noticed after east Pakistan was partitioned as Bangladesh and there was free access, that particular insecurity is not there as far as east Pakistan is concerned. Why it’s so? because both the countries have become one now. in Bangladesh you have free entrance and free exit. You can easily come and go, no doubt there is passport and other formalities , but there are no restrictions as such. Earlier Bangladesh –(east Pakistan) was treated as their enemy country But, now Bangladesh is not treated as the enemy country. So, if that thing is wiped out, the insecurity goes away.

Vedchetan Patil : Why do you think that is not happening with West Pakistan or the current day Pakistan? Like, what is that one particular thing?

Amin Solkar :Political compulsions.

Vedchetan Patil : Would you like to address the same?

Amin Solkar : People want issues and if you see in the 70s and I think, in late 80s also, Kashmir was the only state where all Bollywood people used to go. Now,  anybody wants to go, NO! So, why is that the issue was taken up after 70s and 80s? And, what was that issue? There was an agreement between the Kashmir state and India, that the government of India will not treat Kashmir at par with other states. And then, all of a sudden infliction of Article 370, you just want to strike of article 370. Obviously, the people will be hurt. Then in that case, we Muslims… minority does not only contains Muslims, There are other minorities too, but,  the other minorities have taken up on themselves to just carry on without any complaints . But as far as the Muslims are concerned, they are majority in the minority. So, if any injustice happens to them, then they fight it out, and they fight for their rights.

Vedchetan Patil : Sir, you had also filed a PIL on the death of, assassination of Mr. Hemant Karkare, Mr. Ashok Kamte and Mr. Vijay Salaskar), would you like to address us regarding the same?

Amin Solkar : See, at that time I was not knowing the evidence.,the PIL that I had filed, was basically on the statement of Narayan Rane. He being, a senior state minister gave a statement publically that he knows the name of those politicians who have given logistics support to the terrorists. Now, this was too much. This statement came after I  filed a petition for the Malegaon accused  people. Now, in those Malegaon accused persons, categorically our stand was not committed by us, by the Muslims. And, more particularly those blasts had taken place in a masjid, and in the Kabristan( the graveyard) to which much sanctity is attached to the masjid as well as the graveyard. And, obviously any Muslim for that matter, cannot plant any bomb or cause any blast at such a place, if he is a Muslim. So, from day 1 we’ve been saying that this blast is not caused by Muslims. But, the fact still remains that those people were roped in, false witnesses were examined and false statements were recorded and then finally just before Karkare’s death, it transpired…

There were 2 blasts in Malegaon, one in 2006 and one was in 2008. Now, in both the blasts they were saying since the origin and all was the same therefore they said, that those people who were inside, who had alleged to commit their offence during the first blast. So, obviously in the second blast they were targeting some second site, some second site of muslims. But when Karkare came out with new facts and he  arrested the saffron brigade of having committed the blast of 2008. And, then  many such news were appearing in the newspapers, that he is going to expose the political links deep-rooted and the senior most links to the Malegaon blast. At that very relevant time, Karkare was killed.  Now, when Narayan Rane categorically made such a statement, so what prevented him from going to the police and disclosing the real facts. Then, finally it so happened that he took an about turn, for the reasons best known to him.

Vedchetan Patil : Even, to add on to the same, there was a statement made by A.R. Antulay in the Rajyasabha regarding the same?

Amin Solkar: A.R. Antulay made that statement subsequent to my PIL. Now, many people were asking me, did you brief Mr. A.R. Antulay. Those were the exact same words. Whatever, I had taken up in the PIL and in my press conference. There was a press conference also subsequent to  my PIL, so whatever stand was there, the very next week he raised the same issue in the parliament. And, finally what happened?

Vedchetan Patil: Do you really think, it roots back to the 1947 partition

Amin Solkar: But, why? That means, after 60-65 years, the Muslims should show that they are patriots and they are secular? Why, it’s not the other side also? And, what did he (Antulay) say? He did not say anything in favour of Kasab. Did he say that? NO! obviously, what people that time… they were keeping kasab at the back of their mind. Because he was a terrorist and he was arrested. So, why this fellow had to take up the issue? Now, what issue did Antulay take up? He, only questioned, when there were other officers  and other policemen there, why senior most person like Karkare was asked to go in the very same lane? where the terrorists are  hiding, and have  taken their positions. And more particularly, after knowing that there are terrorists in that lane, who was in fact with those wireless messengers, who was asking them to go in their mouth? He had only questioned that, and wanted those instructions given on the wireless to be brought before the court, nothing else. So the brain behind this could come out.

Vedchetan Patil : Sir, should we/ can we totally rule out the possibility that Karkare had no discretion, whether to enter that lane or not to enter that lane? As in, as you rightly said, why Karkare, such a senior officer entered that lane where the terrorists were hiding! Karkare and Kamte, I am sure they had some action/ discretion or they had some quick action motto behind them, weather to enter themselves or send some forces before them?

Amin Solkar : They were continuously on their walky-talky; they were getting instructions from the control room. So, who was giving those instructions and what instructions were been given? Now, for example I’ll tell you one thing, there was only one person according to them who was alive, the persons in the jeep. Only Jadhav  was alive, right? So, he is the person who can give evidence and he gave evidence. Now, what evidence he gave? He told, they received the message that there is a terrorist who is hiding behind a red coloured vehicle. That is the message they  were getting. Now, from where did the person who gave the message come to know, that there is a terrorist hiding behind a red coloured car? And, on this Jadhav says, we could see that red coloured car, and we were getting a message, that there is a red coloured car and there is a terrorist behind it. And then he says, we didn’t have message to proceed further. Now, these people were senior police officers, trained police officers. A person like me would try to take cover. You stand there, you hide there, let’s take cover, let’s shoot him down. Not slowly, slowly, slowly you go in his mouth. And then finally he said, as soon as we came near the red coloured car, he came out and he started firing. You people are sitting down inside, you people have got a message, there is a terrorist behind that car and slowly, slowly you’re going there. You just can’t take the car there. And then he comes out and he sprays bullets.

Vedchetan Patil : So, that was a strategic failure on part of Karkare?

Amin Solkar (cuts in):  No, no, instructions were given on the walky-talky to move further. So, why not then call records, why not those wireless messages are  given to the court? Are they destroyed? If they are destroyed, then for what reasons?

Vedchetan Patil : So did you asked for the records?

Amin Solkar : I called, everybody called.

Vedchetan Patil : What was Court’s stand?

Amin Solkar: They did not produce.

Vedchetan Patil : But courts ordered to produce?

Amin Solkar : I’ll tell you one thing, why the court should produce. When it is a prosecution case and when you are relying upon the evidence. To corroborate, you don’t have to produce the records. You can’t say that, we don’t have it. Because each and every message is recorded.

Vedchetan Patil : So, the state denied the availability of such records?

Amin Solkar : I think so, Kamte and Karkare, their wives also there, they asked for the records. They were not given it, it seems. Basically, they were not produced before the court.

Vedchetan Patil : Well, it is very unfortunate to know.?

Amin Solkar : Now, what inference can you draw that there was some evidence that could have gone against them. And that’s why you’ve kept it away from the court. Otherwise, that’d have been a strong evidence on whomsoever the person was.

Vedchetan Patil : In total agreement with you, sir!

Amin Solkar : See, it must be unfortunate that the target must have been Karkare and it was unfortunate Kamte and Salaskar together they have to go. Then we call them, let’s sacrifice these people.

Vedchetan Patil : Getting back to the death penalty on Kasab, you find any particular…

Amin Solkar : (Cutting in) Now, there was a conspiracy angle and what was the conspiracy? That these  terrorists came all the way here, down to Mumbai, they entered Taj hotel and Trident hotel , leopold café and fourth was Nariman House. If you  see, the targets were all foreigners, right? And particularly, when you speak about Nariman House, there are Jewish people. That means, there target was not Indian people. They had come to take them as hostages, and there demand was something different. So, why is that 10 people go  to other places and only 2 people come to C.S.T.? Were there 2 conspiracies or 1 conspiracy? That means, there was a second conspiracy. In which, these people (once gone to C.S.T.) were not a part of them. And if these people were not a part of them, then who were these people?  Now, in the entire script they produced before the court, there is reference of all those people who were killed, their names the handlers are speaking about. “whokidharhai? yekidharhai?”  but nowhere he has mentioned anything about Kasab. I think, he was not knowing anything about him. I’m trying to read between the lines.

Vedchetan Patil : Is there some way where we can procure those transcripts?

Amin Solkar : I’ve got it in my evidence, I’ve got it with me. Everything is there with me. Everything has been argued, but the thing is that, if benefit of doubt is given to these people, I’ll be killed  by the mob first. It may go against the public cry and the public sentiments. Even the judges can’t do anything. So, either you have it total transparent? Not inside the Arthur Road jail and that too no access to the public, No! let there be access to public. Let there be entire proceedings be published everyday.

Vedchetan Patil : Wouldn’t that compromise security?

Amin Solkar : What security? He is just a plain soldier. Even Mahesh Jethmalani said, “we didn’t want another Kandhaar here.” Well, Kandhaar, was for the person who was the leader of their organization, who was arrested,  and was holding some important post.

Vedchetan Patil : Could it be totally out ruled. When a state machinery acts, it has to take into consideration all the aspects of security?

Amin Solkar : Exactly, that is there. Obviously, you have to take all security actions, . You just can’t leave it, on the basis of  he  just being a soldier, you can’t do that. But, you don’t have to give that much importance. And  you should not keep Kandhaar as an example before you. It was an opinion of Mr. Jethmalani and others , it is mentioned in the judgement also. So, that cannot be taken as an example. It’s an exception.

Vedchetan Patil :  Kasab’s own family disowned him. So, what do you solidly conclude from the entire episode and what is your gut feeling about the same. Do you feel, he was a part of the same team? Do you feel, he was separately deployed over there with the knowledge of the others?

Amin Solkar : I can’t say. Just can’t say anything. I am only telling you to read between the lines, nothing else. Whatever the evidence is there, I don’t know the conspiracy that had taken place. Who were the conspirators, nothing, I do not know anything about it. And therefore, I had filed a PIL because. Narayan Rane had said something, Now, he does not wants to say it. It is his choice. We can’t force him.

Siddharth Acharya: Maybe, a lot of portfolios were taken away and lot of leaders were asked to step down. Maybe, that was the reason for him to give a statement in hassle?

Amin Solkar : I don’t know. Therefore, the court says, that the politicians word, you can’t rely on. They’re politicians.

Vedchetan Patil : R.R. Patil and ShivrajPatil were both asked to step down?

Amin Solkar : But, Shivraj Patil had to stepdown because of some other reasons. And R.R. Patil also had to step down due to some other reasons. Just merely making some statements.He said, you should put…

Vedchetan Patil :Is that his Hindi problem?

Amin Solkar : No, not hindi problem. Now, you tell me one thing, whatever R.R.Patil said, I think he said it right. Where is hotel Taj and where is hotel Oberoi? it is at one end, one far end of Mumbai. Did it affect the entire Mumbai city? It did not. Everything was going on properly.

Siddharth Acharya: Apart from the conspiracy theory, if we’d see, the entire execution episode has been shrouded in secrecy. So, what’s your opinion about it?

Amin Solkar : well, it should have taken place in total transparency.  I don’t know the reason for the secrecy and letting  the people know after everything is over.

Vedchetan Patil : Do you think, it was one of government of India’s attempt to act like United States, the way they killed osama?

Amin Solkar : See, there is a difference. The entire operation of osama was attack on sovereignity of other nation. The landing, taking over, the buildings, the raids, everything,  they have shown it. The only thing, they have not shown is the shootout of Osama. His dead body is shown and they said, we have buried him in the sea. But here (Kasab), nothing was shown.

Vedchetan Patil : There were also talks that he (Kasab) died out of dengue? Now, you represented him in the high court, do you feel that there was something…

Amin Solkar : I can’t say because I had no access after the judgement, the High Court’s confirmation.

Vedchetan Patil: Because, it is totally a somersault kind of thing  like Afzal Guru, who was the culprit in the parliament attacks. Even he was given death sentence, but his mercy plea was pending with the President. Whereas, this is comparatively after 6-8 year?

Amin Solkar : Here, there was totally hurry in execution, in everything to  make sure that the story is put to an end, for reasons best known to the government. Now, as you say, if he has died out of dengue, then finally the government will be blamed and the credit would go away. Well, finally, you didn’t hang him. He died his natural death.

Vedchetan Patil : Do you think there is any relevance to this rumour?

Amin Solkar : Well, every person has his own views and once you’ve done everything in secrecy without the public knowing it. Then, obviously the public has got the right of thinking  in their own way. It could be this, it could be that.

Siddharth Acharya: Maybe, it happened in the wake of Gujarat’s elections?

Amin Solkar : Anything, anything. Many things are true. actually the government should’ve come up with some reasons or some probability as to why they have done it in secret? Now as far as Osama was concerned, they had to do that or else, the  entire operation could’ve been wiped out. They had to do it. But, this is something different, here there was no operation. Hanging him, was there any operation? And that (Osama) was an operation, this was an execution. And, why was this execution done in secrecy? As if you’re going to fix a date, and when you’re going to execute him some bombers  come they start bombing and take him away.

Siddharth Acharya: Sir, talking about the repercussions, Pakistan has shown a very mild reaction on the entire execution. Now, there are apprehensions that Pakistan is going to avenge by holding Sarabjeet’s execution. A lot of human right organizations in Pakistan as well are trying to save his life. What impact would it create according to you?

Amin Solkar : It’s two different aspects. See, he has been jailed because he is proved to be spying for the Indian government. That is not the case here (Kasab). There he has not been labelled as a terrorist, he has been labelled as a spy. There is a difference between a spy and a terrorist. Spying, basically is one of the political limb of a government.… it is being going on since the times of the kings. Sending a spy into an enemy territory and see how many people are there and so on. So, spying is a part of ruling a government.

Vedchetan Patil : Well, sir, what my friend wanted to point out, was that- Kasab stands a symbol of Pakistan and the terrorists group within the Pakistan, for us. Sarabjeet stands as the symbol of india and perhaps governmental machinery of India. So, somewhere as a layman, not talking intellectually about both the issues, they are co-represent, as counter-parts. So would that…

Amin Solkar : Sarabjeet’s case was totally different and Kasab’s case was totally different. Here, no government for Kasab would even think of any mercy. Pardoning such a terrorist was out of question. Sarabjeet’s case is totally different as far as spying is concerned. Inthat, there are chances of pardoning him. And therefore, people are taking up his issue. They are taking up, so that he can be liberated from there. But for this man (Kasab) not even a single person has come up, asking to  give him mercy, pardon him,  or send him back to Pakistan. Not even a single Pakistani says, send him here, we’ll try him here. NO! no one has said that. So, basically I feel for Kasab not only our government, but also Pakistani government, are showing, that even they are against Kasab. What is in their heart is totally different, but the external appearance seems to be, if you’re against Kasab and think he is a terrorist, even we think he is a terrorist. But, that is not the case as far as Sarabjeet is concerned. For Sarabjeet, people from Pakistan, people from India, they’re fighting for his freedom.

Vedchetan Patil : To add on to the same, you were also representing Kasab. What is the main stand you’ve taken in his defence?

Amin Solkar : On the basis of evidence, as I said earlier there were 2 conspiracies and this man had nothing to do with that. And then, I directly did not say he was innocent. I tried to prove, that there are many loop holes in the prosecution case, which creates doubts. And when doubt is created, then the benefit should be given to the accused that is what the law says. Like, there were many doubts, for eg.: the weapon that was seized from him, the weapon by which Ombale was killed. I questioned, where is that weapon? They said, that weapon was already seized, when they tried to disarm him. So, where is that weapon? And then they showed the weapon. This weapon was found on the spot after 6 hours. So, it  does not happen that you disarm a person and throw his weapon on the road. So, that it is subsequently seen after 6 hours. And if  all these  weapons Kasab was carrying throughout, then why the bullets on the bodies of the officers who had sustained bullet injuries, NONE of the bullet have tallied with the weapon of Kasab. Those bullets did not match in the bodies of the police officers who were killed. So, how come the spent bullets were lying there? When that witness was saying all this, the prosecutor says, “one minute, one minute, hold on” and he makes an appeal to the court, “I’d like the matter to be adjourned”. The prosecution has no right to seek an adjournment. In cross examination, the defence can seek adjournment and not the prosecution… that is the law. And next day, he comes with a piece of paper; you can see overwriting on it. He said, “sorry I made a mistake yesterday. I had in-fact mentioned that it does NOT match with Kasab’s weapon.” First, he says tally and then he said not. And then he shows him the paper, that I have written ‘not’ but in my final report I forgot to mention this ‘not’. Are we kids? But, then the fact still remains, we have to see that this man is hanged, we can’t let him go. Now, this was not the first instance, you’ll be surprised, at C.S.T. the witness Whose senior officer said, “I received a call, terrorist attack is on, come immediately.” So, from byculla where he stays, he rushes, and  he reaches within 10-12 mins. At the end of this J.J. flyover, from where Karkare went, there was no one allowed to go there. How this man goes, I don’t know. Because of the firing, no one was allowed to go, but this man goes and he not only goes there, he directly goes to his office on the ground floor, and his office is a 21 CCTV control room and he says, , “when I went there, the constable who was there,  told me that he has ,  captured each and every movement of both the terrorists in the CCTV.” then the witness says, “I see each and every movement, of where those 2 terrorists went.” Then he calls for a cd and records  whatever footage was there.,and he produces the cd in the Court, then the prosecutor, Ujjwal Nikam says, “one minute, one minute, hold on, hold on” and makes an application to the court, that the matter be adjourned. And the matter is adjourned, the next day he says,”sorry, I made a mistake, the 21 CCTV cameras were not functioning that time, only 2 cameras were functioning and this is the cd.” I told the court, let’s see the cd and we saw the cd and we can’t see the faces of the terrorists. What about the 21 cameras which the witness said were functioning and  he had recorded and captured each and every movement of both the terrorists. Where is that gone? Did those cameras show some different faces of the terrorists, that you wanted to suppress?  And when you say, they were functioning and the next day you say, sorry, they were not functioning. There were 21 cameras and only 2 cameras functioning? Cd is changed. What for? And then, you’re producing cd’s, where you can’t see the faces. You can only see 2 persons coming, going far off, and firing here and there, nothing else.

Vedchetan Patil : But, one of the CCTV footage, which is constantly highlighted all over the media, wherein, to an extent we can identify and recognise Kasab’s face?

Amin Solkar : The one with the gun and he shoots. That is a photograph taken by Sebastian D’souza. I had gone there during night time and I just stood at those probable places where Sebastian could have clicked those pictures. He would have been shot dead. I’ll give you those photos and you go and try to locate where Sebastian would be standing and where those terrorists must be. As if the terrorist must have said, “okay, click click I won’t shoot you, I am shooting everybody.” There was absolutely no one on the platform and this man is moving around clicking photos. He has shown some guts, no doubt. But, I don’t know, how he could have done it. And I think, there are only 3-4 photographs that could show his face and out of that, one is very clear. Now, the session’s judge has thrown away this evidence. He has disbelieved the photographs by Sebastian.  Because, he was such a judge, who knew how the photographs are to be proven in court of law. You just can’t bring a photograph and say, yes, proving it, you have to say And show, how you developed it?

Vedchetan Patil : But, aren’t the photographs these days digital?

Amin Solkar : So, that’s why court says, I don’t believe this photograph. Digital photographs you can morph also, very easily. So, the photographs were disbelieved. But at least, the CCTV camera couldn’t be disbelieved, there the chances are less.

Vedchetan Patil : What do you think possibly would have been the reason behind the public prosecutor’s action of first saying no for those 21 CCTV cameras? Perhaps you’ve been an integral part of the entire execution?

Amin Solkar : The evidence was coming forth. That’s why when we tried to create doubt or bring about difference of the possibility, then this is one of it. Adverse influence be drawn, that we say, adverse material be drawn for suppressing those material, because we feel, had that cd been produced, we’d have a got a clear picture of those terrorists and they would have been other than Kasab. One possibility is there, and therefore, there was a need, lets suppress it. There are many, many such things. For eg, on the terrace of Cama hospital, those 2 terrorists, I am saying every now and then, those 2 terrorists because the court had asked me, how would you like to argue and support the theories of 2 conspiracy? At that time I said, somewhere or the other, there was a switch over of the terrorists, I feel. And then, I said, those 2 terrorists who were held up, were not the terrorists who had killed Karkare. That means, there were 2 other persons there, waiting for Karkare down, because at the same time, you can’t have 2 persons up and 2 persons down. The same people can’t be up and same people can’t be down.

Vedchetan Patil : So, where were you contemplating at that time was Kasab? Was he inside Cama and somebody else was…?

Amin Solkar (:The same question the court asked me. So, where was Kasab? Up or down?

I Said, that I don’t know.

Vedchetan Patil : What was Kasab’s stand? Where was he?

Amin Solkar : No, he was not ready to tell. He said, I don’t remember anything. I don’t know, when he says, he doesn’t remembers anything, I can’t force him. Obviously, he is not going to tell me what is the true fact, because the officers are standing, when I am having an interview with him. These intelligence people are standing there. So, how is he going to tell me, what is the truth? The privacy was not given, that is what I told the court. Therefore, the first argument, that was also taken in the supreme court was, Kasab was not given a fair trial. Kasab was NOT given a fair trial, 101%. Had he been given a free trial, had he been treated like any other ordinary under trial, offender, accused, then much would have come out, you could have gone out and somebody else coming in, one could not say.

Vedchetan Patil: As a Indian muslim and Indian citizen, Indian muslim community is much more stronger?

Amin Solkar:Every kashmiri is terrorist whose entire family is wiped out…Zakir Naik on his speech said our freedom fighters were called as terrorist…We are referring terrorists to people who want freedom….retaliation comes due to rapes happening..There is no bomb blast in Orissa, Bihar, Harayana…….why its in Gujarat, Maharashtra…..Why communal sensitive areas like Kashmir?? Because nothing has happened to the local people?.

Vedchetan Patil: There was a considerable peace in Kashmir and there counterpart Muslims had clashes with Hindu Kashmir Pandits..My personal research says that issue of Kashmir  started due to cross border persuasion of Indian Muslims and subsequent threatening to Hindus which was catalysed by saffronists….Where do we draw a line we are the country …we are living the life of dignity..We have Muslims in the country in big cities and different sections..If at all armed police man or army person is committing any atrocity so a person should think whether it has been committed on any Hindu or any Muslim….or should he consider it as an act of state machinery on an Indian citizen?? The way of rebellion will be different. I have no where witnessed Indian army has committed atrocities in Naxalite areas if at all we endure…as a lawyer what we citizens should be doing?

Amin Solkar: In Kashmir you draw the boundary,… Lets talk about the Naxalites….What is the basic ideology..I am not saying that there ideology is perfect. Now in Gujarat, riots were sponsored by Modi…Had not been SC and  Teesta  Seetalvad intervened, and not filed case in Supreme Court…What would have happened?? She took up the cause whatever has been the outcome is different. Cases were tried in Maharashtra so influence will be gone away convictions happened. This case should be declared rarest of the rare case.

Vedchetan Patil: In your opinion bias is bound to be there ?

AminSolkar: Death Sentence should be abolished….I was arguing on part of sentence…They have become martyrs and they have come to become Martyr..They been brainwashed..If you hang him you will become a martyr…Let bhim rot in a jail..This will give signal that you  wont become a Martyr..

Vedchetan Patil: How should we possibly conclude considering the entire terrorist activities, past and future prospects?

Amin Solkar : We have to maintain parallelism…We should not be  religious fanatics ….Line has to be drawn between politics and religion…..You had TADA and POTA still terrorism continues and is not ending..Basically if Justice is done in true sprit  and word, terrorism can be ended. Everytime bringing new laws would not solve the problem.

Vedchetan Patil: Can you define Justice in this particular sense?

Amin Solkar: Those people who committed atrocities should be punished  howsoever biggies they are….


  1. malaydeb /

    Agree with somepart, don’t agree with someother. That’s ok. The important thing is that we should keep talking in GOOD FAITH.

    • Vedchetan Patil /

      Yes we should keep talking in good faith. The point is we need to talk about things which really matter. We may differ in opinions. but we should not differ in our commitment towards peace.

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